The Eighth House – Dwadash Bhav Rahasyam

What the 8th house shows

The 8th is the house of sudden transformation, of deep secrets and of things hidden under the ground. I have given a great many things to this house, so note them down carefully. Here is everything we see from it.

The occult. Astrology, numerology, vastu, healing, tantra, deep healing: all the secret knowledge that tells you the future and tells you about yourself, and the exploration of the dark, unseen world. We know the 8th as the house of the occult.
The in-laws. The sasural paksh, the side of your spouse's family: their nature, their wealth, and your relationship with them.
Hidden secrets and traumas. What you will absolutely never share with anyone else; what is very, very close to you. Hidden affairs, childhood abuse, deep regrets, stains that cannot be erased.
Badnami (disrepute, a bad name). A childhood trauma, an affair, an abuse, a regret, and the bad name that comes with them: we see all of it from the 8th.
The father's bedroom, sleep and dreams. The 8th is the 12th house counted from the father's 9th, so his bed, his sleep and his dreams sit here.
Death and prolonged illness. Longevity, the nature of your physical passing, a very long illness, severe chronic disease, sudden illness, near-death experiences. Here we also see a person who is trying to get free from the world.
The decay of relationships, and rock bottom. This is the house of breakdown. It shows how relationships decay, and what happens when you hit rock bottom and are forced into a massive transformation.
Transformation, and the ending of anything. Whatever rots slowly, goes bad, improves, converts or transforms. If something has changed, we see it from the 8th. Whenever another house connects with it, that house's resources seep away.
Drained energy. Wherever there is draining, there is the 8th: a draining child, a draining father, a draining mother, a draining bua (paternal aunt) or uncle.
Research. The 8th is where you actually do research. That is why we see the PhD from the 8th as well as from the 9th.
The sexual life. We see it from the 8th too.
Fear, anxiety, negativity and depression. Whatever you are afraid of, we see here. Depression too, and the state where you do not want to face the world.
Stuck situations and obstacles. Wherever you are trapped.
The past life. Past-life attachment, and the karma still pending from the past life.
Regrets. From the 8th we also see regrets.
The qualities you get in the womb. The mother's mental state, her fantasies and her experiences while you were inside her.
The fantasy of the mother. When you hear this phrase you will think, "What is this?" It is because the 8th is the mother's 5th house, the 5th counted from the 4th.
The anal area and the excretory system. The area from which you pass stool.
Sudden wealth. Unearned money, zameen mein gada hua dhan (money buried in the ground): an inheritance, an insurance payout, an LIC policy that matures and pays a lot, a property sold for a lot of money, a lottery, buried treasure. A man has been earning for ten years and nobody knows where the money comes from: that too is the 8th.
Things left to rot. Fermented, aged and preserved things: mushrooms, alcohol, pickles.

When nothing can survive, that is called the 8th house.

The points I use for prediction

Now come down from the long list. These are the points of the 8th house that I take into consideration whenever I make a prediction. Every graha later in this chapter is read through them.

The in-laws.
The hidden secrets of your life. What you do not share with anyone and do not want to tell anyone. Assault comes into it. Rape comes into it. Child abuse comes into it. Stains that nobody can erase, which need healing.
Your condition when you were in your mother's womb. That is why this house is called the mother's garbh, her womb.
The stomach and genetics from the mother. The mother's genetics are spoken of here, because you have been born out of her poorva karma (past karma).
Death and prolonged diseases.
The house of decay. Whatever rots slowly, goes bad, improves, converts or transforms. That is why it is also called the house of transformation.
Unsolvable disputes. Fights that can never be solved.
The anal area of the body.
The occult, darkness, tantra and siddhi.
Past-life pending karma. The karma pending from the past life, which comes into your life to lay it waste (tahas-nahas) and to teach you something.
Sudden gain of money. Sudden wealth, the money buried in the ground.

Roots and ashes

The 8th house has been called roots and ashes (raakh): the final resting state, when nothing else is left and nothing can survive.

The parts I am teaching now are important parts, the 7th and the 8th, and especially the 8th, because you are connected with the occult. That name, roots and ashes, is also its remedy. Whenever a person is connected with the occult, or has 8th-house issues, those issues are always solved by roots and ashes. These methods are different. I have taught them to some of my students who are old in sadhana (spiritual practice); I have not generally taught them to everyone.

The house of drained energy

The 8th represents drained energy. Some child is draining, some individual is draining, some father, some mother, some bua, some uncle is draining: wherever there is draining, there is the 8th.

Now listen carefully. Whenever a person drains, goes into darkness, prepares for a long competitive exam, goes underground, studies jyotish, stays absorbed in himself, or always stays settled in sadhana: what do we represent all of this by? By the 8th house.

As long as a person stays in vishad (despair), as long as he stays in the 8th, his desires are not fulfilled. That is why you will see so many times that someone had a bad married life, then had an affair, and after the affair recovered. Why is he recovering? Because the 11th house gets activated. It works the other way too: if you have messed up in the 11th, you will go into the 8th.

So the 8th is not only secrets. It is also your research, your occult practice, your depression, and the place where you do not want to face the world.

Things left to rot. Someone eats a lot of mushrooms: his 8th house is activated, because mushrooms represent the 8th. Someone always eats things that have been left to rot. Alcohol is made by leaving grapes to ferment, and the longer, the better. Pickles are the same. Everything we leave to rot and keep for a prolonged time belongs to the 8th.

How the 8th ends things

Whenever another house connects with the 8th, the 8th drains or transforms that house's resource. The 8th is about seeping away the resources: they keep running out. Remember it as the ending of anything.

Suppose the 2nd and the 8th get connected: the dasha of the 2nd runs with the antardasha of the 8th. The person's FD (fixed deposit) will break. Finances will be lost. He will invest the money somewhere, or spend it. His savings will not remain. Whenever the 2nd and the 8th connect, that thing is lost.

The same logic runs through the other houses:

Dasha connection	What ends or changes
2nd with the 8th	The FD breaks; savings are spent, invested or lost
4th with the 11th as antardasha	The house changes
6th with the lagna	The profession changes, the workplace changes, the servants change
7th with the 2nd as antardasha	The partner changes; relationships end
3rd with the 8th	Whatever skill set he was learning, he leaves; or health issues come
6th, 8th or 11th with the 4th	The house changes
4th with the 6th as antardasha	Rog, rin, shatru (disease, debt and enemies) come into the home

Take a court case. Someone says, "My court case should end," or, "I am completely stuck in a court case." If the dasha of the lagna runs with the 6th, it will end, or he will get completely stuck: the result will come fully. But the workplace will change and the servants will change.

In the divisional charts. The 8th of any divisional chart ends the subject of that chart.

D9 (navamsa): the dasha of its 8th house runs, and the marriage ends in divorce, finishes, or transforms.
D4: the 8th-house dasha runs, and the house changes.
D16: the 8th-house dasha runs, and the person leaves behind a lot of his belongings. He spends money, puts money somewhere, and the money is lost.
D2: the 8th-house dasha runs, and finances are lost.

Lords that carry the past life

The lordships between the 8th and other houses show what a person has carried in from his previous life, and what he loses in this one.

Placement	What it shows
3rd lord in the 8th, or 8th lord in the 3rd	Whatever he was practising in his past life, he practises the same thing in this life. In the live reading, where Shukra rules the 3rd and sits in the 8th in Tula (marriage), he leaves his skill set after marriage
8th lord in the 5th	He has brought all of it with him from the previous life: the vidya (learning) and everything
5th lord in the 8th	He depletes his punya karma (merit). He will learn the occult
4th lord in the 8th	The relationship spoils because of the mother; the mother may have a kidney problem; the person may have had a very traumatic childhood (see the live reading)

I will discuss all of this in detail later, so do not worry. For now understand how the 8th plays its role.

Tantra, and how to see it in a prashna

The 8th is the occult: hidden knowledge, astrology, numerology, vastu, tantra, deep healing, the dark and unseen world.

Now someone will come and say: "What has someone done to my husband?" Someone has done tantra on him. How will you see it? Look at the prashna (horary chart). In the prashna you will see the lagna lord going into the 8th. You will see Kanya rising, and you will find grahas in Kanya, because Kanya is the sign of tantra.

When we are affected by tantra, Kanya is afflicted. When tantra is done on us, 8th-house problems come. When someone binds a person's mind, problems come. And all of it comes through food and drink, through whatever you eat and drink.

That is a separate subject, and I will not go into its details, because this goes on YouTube. But understand one point: whenever there is an issue of tantra, you have to go to the deity, and you have to practise some sadhana.

The in-laws, and the fear in them

Whenever a girl gets married and deals with her in-laws, what is she always dealing with? Her fear. However much of a sherni (lioness) she becomes, when she deals with her husband's family she will always be afraid.

When a man deals with his in-laws, he gets the same problems, because he too is dealing with the 8th house. Dealing with the 8th is not easy.

The 8th is also the 2nd house counted from the 7th. So any graha in the 8th sits in the 2nd from your spouse, and shows the spouse's speech, family and wealth. With Shukra there, the wife is soft-spoken; with Shukra in Tula, her family may also be rich. You will see this in the live reading at the end of the chapter.

The womb: where very heavy predictions come from

The 8th shows the conditions in the womb: the mother's mental state, her fantasies and her experiences while you were inside her. What the situation was when you were conceived, and what happened during the pregnancy: we see this too from the 8th. Very heavy predictions come from this. When I teach the 8th house with Vrischika, you will understand.

Why does the mother appear here at all? Because the 8th is the 5th house from the 4th, the mother's own 5th. Her fantasies and her romance sit here. And the stomach and genetics from the mother sit here too, because you have been born out of her poorva karma. That is why this is called the mother's garbh.

The anal area: a sutra for Shukra

The 8th represents the physical body's anal area and the excretory system.

So what sutra (formula) did I give you for this? Whenever Shukra is in the 8th house, or makes a connection with the 8th anywhere, or makes a connection with Vrischika, the combination of anal sex forms. Understand this while you look at the chart.

Rock bottom: where astrology starts

The 8th is decay and rock bottom: the house of breakdown, of how relationships decay, and of what happens when you hit rock bottom and are forced into a massive transformation.

So whenever the 8th-house dasha comes, you will not be able to show your face. You will hit rock bottom. That is why astrology starts at rock bottom. When you cannot see a solution anywhere, that is when you actually go to astrology.

Astrology starts when you are at rock bottom.

Extract in the 8th, refine in the 9th

The first rule of reading a chart is that there should be no bias. What is wrong is wrong and what is right is right, and your own parameters of right and wrong should not enter. You have been given the work of predicting the chart, not of judging it. Judgement is the 9th house.

The 8th house is about secrets. So you have to take the secrets out without judging them. It is like extracting oil, and from where? From inside the ground. The refining happens in the 9th. There you can tell the person: "Please do not do all this. This is its implication. This is its remedy. It should not be done this way." That is a 9th-house thing. The 8th is about extracting the data, not from the client but from the chart. First extract; then refine. Do not mix the two.

How many times do we set very tricky questions, so that the client tells us everything, and then "predict" that same thing? Not like that. Go to the blank chart, do the prediction, and see how much accuracy you are getting. Do not draw the information out of him and then say, "Yes, yes, the 3rd house shows exactly this." You predict, and then the client confirms.

When you predict that way, you will see for yourself: this is the actual prediction I am doing, this much is wrong, this much is right. Be a philosopher in the 9th house; take a little Gita class then. But during a consultation, be very cut to cut in prediction.

Don't become a philosopher. Become a sniper.

The rashis in the 8th

I have not yet taught you the twelve rashis in the 8th one by one. When I teach the rashis I will go very slowly and calmly, and when I do the 8th with Vrischika you will see how heavy the predictions become. For now, here is what I have already said about particular signs in this house.

Rashi in the 8th	Lagna	In one line
Vrishabha (2)	Tula	Shukra, the lagna lord, is also the 8th lord: the 8th effect comes, but after marriage (Chapter B1)
Karka (4)	Dhanu	The Moon's own sign holds the 8th: the emotional body of these natives stays in trouble
Tula (7)	Mina	Shukra at home in the 8th: money fights with the in-laws, and skills given up after marriage (the live reading)

Two signs outside the 8th carry its flavour wherever they fall:

Vrischika, the natural 8th sign. Shukra in Vrischika behaves like Shukra in the 8th: married life or the occult, not both. And when Shukra connects with Vrischika, the anal-sex combination forms.
Kanya, the sign of tantra. In a prashna, Kanya rising with grahas in Kanya shows that tantra has been done.

The grahas in the 8th house

The graha placed in the 8th points to deeply hidden karmic issues, to the nature of your in-laws, and to specific struggles at the physical or the psychological level.

One rule before the grahas. Whatever graha goes into the 8th, you will not be able to form an emotional connection with what it signifies. If the Sun goes there, the father will not be emotionally available. If it is the Moon, the mother will not be available. If it is Shukra, the partner, your relationships, will not be available. If it is Budha, the sibling and the mama (maternal uncle) will not be available. Whatever graha goes into the 8th, it creates emotional turmoil with that relative.

Pluto does not come into Vedic astrology, so we do not look at it at all.

I read every graha through the same points I gave you above: the in-laws, the hidden secrets, the condition in the mother's womb, the stomach and genetics from the mother, death and prolonged disease, the house of decay, unsolvable disputes, the anal area, the occult and tantra, and past-life karma. A graha carries a heading only where I have taught something under it.

Shukra

Sadhana or the spouse: you get only one

In the 8th house we take Shukra first. Shukra in the 8th creates a lot of problems.

In-laws

A wealthy family with generational wealth: a family of the rich.
Many doctors among them: healers and medical professionals.
Someone works in clothing or in jewellery. You will see all these things in that home.

Hidden secrets

Hidden affairs, and a complex sexual history.
An affair after marriage. Whenever Shukra is in the 8th, the person has an affair after marriage. If Shukra is in the 2nd, it is the partner who has the affair. Whether he does it or not depends on the person. But understand the point: if the dasha of Shukra runs, it will give it 110 percent.
A spouse from the past life. The wife or husband coming to you is coming from the previous life. With them there is some nautanki (drama) from that life, or some karma of yours still pending.
The occult or married life, not both. Here you have to choose between your sadhana and your spouse. Either you take the occult, or you take married life. It will not give both. Whichever of the two you want, choose it. The same holds when Shukra is in Vrischika.

Condition in the mother's womb

If Shukra here is with a malefic (Mangala, Shani or Rahu), then up to the time of your birth, even after you were conceived, the sex life continued.
The mother was not ready to have intercourse, the father forced it, and she agreed. Her conception happened by force.
She was not happy in her sexual life and got no emotional support there.
Problems of extramarital relations follow, and after a time in life, poverty.

Stomach and genetics

Shukra sits in the mother's 5th house, so you get a beautiful mother, and a highly devotional one.
She makes achaar (pickle) and papad very well: any food that can be stored and kept for a long time.
She goes regularly to tantriks and occultists, because the 8th is the house of tantra.

Death and prolonged disease

A danger of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) and of urinary tract issues.
Hidden secrets of sexual experience.
The bathroom and the toilet become a very difficult place here, because the sexual desires are very strong.
And what will the bathroom be like? Extremely clean, and stocked with expensive products. Even the undergarments are expensive: silk undergarments. He keeps experimenting all the time.

House of decay

He loves food that has been fermented or kept for a very long time: idli, sambar, dosa, pickle.
Problems in the sexual life, loneliness, affairs.
If Shukra comes under malefic influence (paap prabhav), sexual exploitation.

Unsolvable disputes

Court cases in marriage, and secret affairs. I am saying this again and again.
Manipulative in-laws: a kleshi sasural (quarrelsome in-laws).

Anal area

Be careful during anal sex, because the chances of disease here are high.
Regular breakups, and trauma because of the spouse.

Occult and tantra

The 8th is called the house of the Nagas, and it gives tantra.
One member of the family will definitely be found in the occult.

Past-life karma

The emotional suffering of the partner, and a lot of klesh (strife) in married life.

There are many things about Shukra here that I cannot tell you, because they are very dark and this is a public platform. Still I am telling you a lot, so that you take care of all of it. First, of sadhana and the partner, you will get only one. Second, there are regular problems of affairs, and if many grahas go into the 8th, the trouble is very great. Third, in the sexual life there will be experiences, very different ones, that you will never be able to discuss with anyone.

A student asked: "Why must a person with Shukra in the 8th choose between spirituality and happiness in marriage?"

I had said that such a person is fully successful either in spirituality or in marital happiness. The student found this confusing and wanted to know whether it meant the marriage would not happen at all, or that the happiness one should get from the marriage would be blacked out, or something in the spiritual life.

The 8th house is actually your Muladhara chakra. Either you mould its energy into the form of knowledge, or into sexual life. You can use the energy in one of the two, not in both. It does not channelise both ways. That is why, if Shukra is in the 8th, the person can do bhakti (devotion), but he cannot do the occult. The occult becomes tough for him.

The same student asked: "If such a person knows the chances of an affair after marriage, how can he avoid it?"

The student asked whether that meant the chance would come and it was up to the native to accept it or not. I said: the person does fall. The person does fall. Then came the question: if the person knows he is going to fall, there must be some solution to escape it. I said what I had already been telling you: only Bhagavan can actually save you. No one else can.

Rahu

Poison in the in-laws, madness in love

Wherever Rahu sits, he amplifies.

In-laws

There is poison in the in-laws' family.
A constant fight over money, and attempts to usurp property: politics and hadapna (grabbing what is not yours), aggression.
Self-centred and boastful, always praising themselves: "We are this. We are that." Show-off, and more show-off.
Anxiety always runs in the sasural paksh.

Hidden secrets

Live-in relationships, extramarital affairs, illegal relationships, illegal work, illegal money.
Money does not come loose from the father, because Rahu here sits in the father's 12th house.

Condition in the mother's womb

The mother went through immense physical or emotional distress during the pregnancy: so many problems that you cannot imagine.

Stomach and genetics

Rahu is in the mother's 5th house, so the person is very, very attached to the mother.
And because the 5th is the Sun's house, politics happens with the mother. She is not treated well.

Death and prolonged disease

Sudden, unexplainable diseases: seizures, mirgi (epilepsy). Rahu actually gives epilepsy.
Cancer. The 8th is the house of your death, and if Rahu kills a person, this is one way he kills, because radioactivity and all such things are governed by Rahu.
Severe addictions, including the habit of pornography. Rahu wants to enjoy things artificially, so he gives addiction.

House of decay

This is the house of decay, but Rahu does not want to let go of anything. So the person cannot come out of a breakup; Rahu does not let him recover.
A hundred missed calls to the partner. Sharing private images on the phone.
Rahu is madness, and the 8th is the hidden. So whenever this person goes into a relationship, he crosses all limits.

Unsolvable disputes

With the grandfather, because Rahu is the grandfather's karaka. The grandfather has gone after doing some kaand (scandal), something that can never be solved, and the person is troubled by it.
A fraud case that just does not end.
Ghuskhori (bribery), police and dacoits, cheating and scams.

Anal area

Here too be careful during sexual intercourse, and do not go idhar-udhar munh maarna (sleeping around here and there).

Occult and tantra

Excellent for the occult and tantra. Rahu gives a very good knowledge of the occult, and a strong interest in dark magic.
It also gives the problem of tantra: the person feels as if someone is controlling him. When Rahu becomes very powerful, many threats (dhamki) come.

Past-life karma

Pending karma with Muslims, with fraudsters, and the pending karma of the grandfather.
Rahu is naturally the pitri karaka (significator of the ancestors). In the 8th it means that some pitri (ancestor) has not received water. That is why the person faces so much struggle.

Chandra

"I am dead to them"

In the 8th the Moon brings blame, exclusion and the feeling of being dead to people.

In-laws

A blame game. Your saas-sasur (mother-in-law and father-in-law) keep putting blame on you, dosharopan, always.
Highly critical and non-expressive, always finding fault in food and in cooking.
They scold the mother to her face and abuse her a lot.
The native often feels isolated or excluded. That is why, in all Dhanu ascendants, you will see the emotional body stay in trouble.

Hidden secrets

Deep emotional trauma, a breakup, childhood trauma.
Excluded from the group. Nobody even asked about your food.
Fear of abandonment: "People should not leave me."
"I am dead to them." "You are dead to me, I am dead to you." That is the Moon in the 8th.
Regular anxiety and the blame game stay with you always, and you cannot say anything.

Condition in the mother's womb

Severe gastric issues and vomiting during the pregnancy. Wherever the Moon is, sometimes kapha forms, sometimes pitta, sometimes vata, so the greatest trouble is gastric.
The mother will be well known.
No wish to go out or meet the public: she does not like public meetings, or talking with a lot of people.

Stomach and genetics

The Moon is in the mother's 5th, so there are false promises. She asks for a mannat (a vow to a deity) and forgets it.
An inexpressive mother: you are not able to talk with her very much.

Death and prolonged disease

Loss of appetite: not feeling hungry. Indigestion.
Unclean water, water-borne diseases, a scarcity of water.
Leakage of pipes: the tap is always leaking. Water leaks in the home.

House of decay

"I am as good as dead for them" (main inke liye mar gayi).
Emotional abuse: always being left alone. No marital happiness.
A regular waste of food and water.
"I have gone through a lot of emotional distress."

Unsolvable disputes

Disputes over land, home, property and resources that never get solved.
And always the same saying: "Where does the money go?" It is not about the money as such. The money does not stay, and it does not come to any use.
Extramarital affairs. "I became totally emotionally dry." "I died for them." All of this comes.

Anal area

A problem of water: it is very dry while passing stool. Constipation comes.

Occult and tantra

From the occult you will certainly get peace. But in the occult you will also meet a thag (a cheat, a swindler). So please be very careful.
Sex in an open area, under the open sky. Sex with a widow, someone whose husband has died. This is not good for the Moon. They also speak of sex in an ashram: if you go to some ashram with the Moon in your 8th, become very careful, because there it gives a lot of problems.

Past-life karma

No emotional support. You did not give emotional support to someone, and that is why the problems are happening.

Surya

The father who is never there

In the 8th, secrecy comes in. The Sun is the father and authority, so here the father stays far away and authority turns against you.

In-laws

Under this heading the Sun speaks of the father's side, and of the father himself. After your birth the father gets transferred, or travels regularly.
No regular emotional support from the father. Separation from the father.

Hidden secrets

Loss of position: for example, being caught watching porn in the office. Getting caught doing something inappropriate.
Public insult: maan-haani (loss of honour).
A promotion gained in an illegal way. Someone helped, and after that the promotion came. Some people say: "Give one lakh rupees and we will get you a government job." That is the Sun in the 8th. Then Rahu joins it and says: "All right, we will get it done for you. But first transfer the money."

Condition in the mother's womb

The mother was treated with ego and did not get emotional support, and she became dry. Ego filled that pregnancy, and there was no emotional warmth in it.

Stomach and genetics

The Sun is in the mother's 5th house, so the mother has a good position.
Conflict between the mother and the father. The father always stays away from her, travelling or going here and there, and his contact with her is very little.

Death and prolonged disease

Serious illness. Weak overall health that does not stay fine.
Severe calcium and vitamin D deficiency.
Recurring fever.

House of decay

The social status slowly rises or slowly falls. If it is very good at first, it slowly decreases; if it is entirely bad at first, it slowly rises. That is why this is called the house of decay.

Unsolvable disputes

With the father, with the government, in the job, with the manager. Authority does not let him get along. Here it gives conflict, so be very careful.

Anal area

It disturbs the sexual life. This is a very tough combination, so be careful.

Past-life karma

Your father is coming from the past life.
The pending karma is with the father, with the government, and in the temple: you find difficulty even getting entry into the temple.
He grows in life in isolation. He grows best alone.

Budha

Lost certificates, and words left half said

Wherever Budha gets involved, problems in relations remain. And Budha in the 8th has Ketu's effect in it.

In-laws

Humorous in nature, but highly selfish and greedy for money.
Deceit, duplicity and gossiping: idhar ki baat udhar (carrying talk from here to there).
Problems of legality.
Problems in relations, seen regularly. So whenever you see Budha in the 8th, please be very careful.

Hidden secrets

A relationship issue in school life.
Severe difficulty in communicating true feelings. He is not able to put his point across. He completes only half of what he wants to say, and then goes quiet: "I go quiet. I will not speak at all." Why? "Because if I speak, there will be klesh." This is Ketu's effect in Budha here, so he always asks: "Why did you start this thing at all?"
Fraud in paperwork, fraud in the degree, a fake degree. The degree gets stuck; the degree is not received.
The certificates keep getting lost, or get stolen.
Very prominent issues with siblings or in the neighbourhood, and chances of fraud. In the 8th, Budha gives secrets of this kind that you can never tell.

Condition in the mother's womb

The mother is inexpressive. She chants a lot of prayers. She is excellent in education: very sharp and very skilled.

Stomach and genetics

Someone on the mother's side died and you were not able to attend the funeral, and problems come because of that.
Problems with the maternal side: Budha ruins the mama and keeps him regularly in karz (debt).

Death and prolonged disease

Downfall and health issues right after a promotion or a bonus. The bonus money came, the promotion came, or anything good happened, and the health issues start.

Past-life karma

This is the crucial karma of this placement: he must never eat up the insurance money of someone who is dying, or any money received after a death. It will destroy him.

Shani

Fifty percent credit, and a slow fire

Shani tapa deta hai: he puts you through the fire. And Shani does not let things go.

In-laws

The habit of lying: the in-laws lie a lot.
A habit of long crying and wailing about problems (rona-peetna).
Wasting a lot of food. Keeping a lot of kooda-kachra (junk and garbage) piled up. That is exactly Shani's work.
A lot of badmouthing behind the back: backbiting.
Some one person among them has very heavy health issues.

Hidden secrets

The profession is highly secretive. Nobody will be able to guess your profession; they simply cannot tell what you actually do.
Never full credit for your work. Always only 50 percent.
A very difficult phase in the profession, and the job undergoes a great transformation. He started in IT, reached insurance, then became a manager: a strange pattern that keeps changing in a very heavy way.

Condition in the mother's womb

The mother got depression. She was heavily pressurised to work hard, even during the pregnancy. Ask your mother about all of it.

Stomach and genetics

Here we see your mother's mother. The grandmother puts a great deal of pressure, always.

Death and prolonged disease

Arthritis. Arthritis is a very, very slow death.
Weak health; not able to eat properly.
So the death is very painful. Shani actually kills very slowly.

House of decay

The career improves over a period of time and becomes very good, but it takes a lot of dips: up, down, up, down.
He meets old people. A connection forms with retired people, who come into his life to guide him in the career.

Unsolvable disputes

In the career: a lot of toxicity at the workplace. He does not want to go to the office.

Anal area

Shani does not let things go, so here too he gives constipation, severe constipation.

Occult and tantra

A negative prediction from this person will always go correct. His negative intuitions almost always come true.

Past-life karma

The pending karma is with poor and old people.
If Shani also comes into the sexual houses, check whether a case of molestation is forming: molestation by old people in childhood.

Brihaspati

Visions of God, and the guru caught out

Guru in the 8th gives good people around you, and a gift for pulling others back from ruin. His trouble is with the guru himself.

In-laws

Prominent and good people.
A charitable, rich and very big family. The in-laws' side you get is very, very big.
Government or public money used at home.

Hidden secrets

Problems with the guru. You catch a teacher, a guru or an authority figure in immoral acts, or come to know of the teacher's or guru's extramarital affair. By guru I do not mean that guru; I mean the ordinary ones we sometimes see here and there.
Profound hidden visions of God. Such a person gets the darshan (sight) of God, and that darshan cannot be explained or shared with anyone. I had this experience.

Condition in the mother's womb

Good. The mother was highly spiritual and educated, and had high moral values.

Stomach and genetics

Again good. Knowledge, a very good nature and high moral values: the mother is educated, in the sense that her nature is good.

Death and prolonged disease

Vata: breathing-related issues.
TB (tuberculosis).
Back problems: pain in the back, sciatica, slip disc.
Problems in the nose, and in heart health.

House of decay

Helping people who are about to die. This person saved many people from dying in the last life. Many people keep getting ruined, and he saves them from the edge of ruin.

Unsolvable disputes

Disputes with the teacher, the guru, the temple and dharma. If you have quarrels (kalah) with any of them, they become very heavy.
Not in touch with the guru.
Hiding from the guru: doing wrong things behind the guru's back. And not only the guru: the father comes in here too, and authority. You are doing your work hidden from someone.
That is why, whenever Guru is in the 8th, the person is not able to face the guru.

Anal area

The problem of vata dosha stays here, but that is all right.

Occult and tantra

Very good for helping people: for saving those who are drowning, who have sunk. This knowledge comes to the person easily. There is no problem.

Past-life karma

Difficulty with the children.
Wealth: many people will grab the wealth and run off with it.

Mangala

The lion and the barking dog

Mangala in the 8th is very responsible and takes care of people, but he fights, and his fights here never end.

In-laws

Very responsible: he takes care of the in-laws' family.
But there will be severe fights there too, and you will see this pattern regularly. One person is a lion who roars very loudly; the other is the dog that barks a lot. One is very powerful and rich, the other very ordinary. The fight between them has no meaning at all, yet it causes massive disruption. Try it and see.

Hidden secrets

What you sometimes do with friends, you cannot do with anybody else, and many of those things give a lot of anxiety. An unsolvable problem with friends; fights in the friend circle.
How many times people become dirty in this very thing: ditching, and sexual relationships within friendship.
Same-sex encounters, quietly, in private, because it is a Mars combination. How many times I have seen the 8th give gay relationships between males, who will look to you like friends. They look like friends, but there are relationships there.
Masturbation.
Violence in married life: maar-peet (physical fighting, beating), physical abuse.

Stomach and genetics

Surgery, or trouble in the stomach: the problem of stomach pain stays.
The mother has a blood pressure problem.
Swelling of the body.

Death and prolonged disease

Blood-related issues: low haemoglobin, high cholesterol.
Stress and anxiety.
Stomach surgeries.

House of decay

The strength slowly decreases, and the blood gives trouble, gradually.
He is not able to take the initiative to improve himself. The initiative stays in the womb itself.
Pulling back: many people pull his legs and constantly try to hold him back. They do not let him grow.

Unsolvable disputes

Land, property and the ancestors. The problems Mangala gives here simply cannot get solved.
A fight over the purkhe (ancestors) is still going on: "This is my land." The fight over ancestral property goes on for a long time.

And the person speaks very aggressively; his tone is aggressive. So Mangala here is very responsible and takes care. It gives problems to the mother, and the mother is also very responsible. It gives blood pressure, the long fight over land, property and the ancestors, and maar-peet at home and among the in-laws. So be mindful here.

Ketu

Born of a mannat, drawn to the mountains

Now our most important graha in this house: Ketu in the 8th.

In-laws

Complete detachment. No contact; he does not want to visit or meet them: "What is there to go to your house for? Yaar, I don't feel like going."
No connection, and constant underlying anxiety and problems in the in-laws' families.

Hidden secrets

The knowledge of tantra.
Not interested in married life, and suffering there. He feels entirely disconnected from it.
An inexpressive partner, who tells him nothing at all.
The partner constantly finds fault, keeps pointing out his kamiyan (shortcomings), and always looks at him shak ki nigahon se (with eyes of suspicion).

Condition in the mother's womb

You and your mother are joined from a past life: past-life relations with the mother.
The mother conceived you only after a lot of prayers, a mannat (a vow), to Ganapati and Lord Shiva. By the grace of Lord Shiva she received this child.

Death and prolonged disease

Insomnia: not getting sleep.
Severe nervous-system issues.
Digestion issues.

Anal area

Bleeding from the anal area: bawasir (piles). I have seen this very heavily in charts, so be very careful.

Occult and tantra

Very good for the occult, darkness and siddhi. These people come to know things.
They can feel the death of a person; they can literally smell or sense death before it happens.

Past-life karma

The pending karma of this life is travel: to the mountains, to Kailash, to the Jyotirlingas, to Vrindavan, to all the spiritual places there are. Travel to them regularly, and life will slowly, slowly keep getting better.

Readings from the live class

Venus and Mercury together in Tula in the 8th

This was a practice class, after all twelve houses had been taught. I drew a chart and asked a new student: suppose Shukra and Budha are together in someone's 8th house, and the sign is Libra. What will the prediction be?

Pisces lagna. Venus and Mercury in Tula, the 8th house.

The chart. Tula (7) sits in the 8th, so the lagna is Mina (12). Shukra rules the 3rd and the 8th. Budha rules the 4th and the 7th.

The first attempts. The student began: "Shukra comes into the 8th when there was intercourse during the pregnancy, as you told us." Right, but that is very common. I think 70 to 80 percent of couples go for sex during pregnancy too. So how will you validate it? That is a useless point.

The student went on: the 8th shows depth, so this person will be very loving; he loves in depth. In the 8th house? Which graha is debilitated in the 8th? The Moon, the karaka of expression and emotions. So when Shukra goes there, from where will he love? The student agreed. Next. Don't be afraid; continue.

The student then tried to bring in what I had taught about Budha with Shukra, but the sign would not come to mind. Take some time. Drink a little water.

That is what I keep telling you. It is very easy to judge someone: "He doesn't get it." But when we do it ourselves, we are in a bad state. That is why those who judge that I did not teach predictive astrology well should know: if you do not practise, nothing will happen. You have to be humble, and you have to practise.

The second student. "If there is business, it will be a source of hidden money." Very good. And because of Budha... no, do not keep Budha there. Tell me Shukra. "And Shukra is in his own house, the lord there, so he is comfortable in Libra." What is comfortable, brother? Everybody is comfortable. That is no prediction.

"There will be a chance of an extramarital affair." Yes. With whom? "A sibling..." The extramarital affair will be with a sibling? "No, I mean it will stay within the family, relation-wise." Meaning, how is family coming from the 8th house? "The 8th house is the sign of the extramarital." But the sign of the extramarital here is Libra. "No, Budha and Shukra are together in it." Do not take that Budha combination. Leave Budha out for now; first handle one graha. Why are you going for a threesome? First satisfy one partner; satisfy at least one partner. I had even given you a prediction in it, Budha with Shukra. There was a hint in it.

So understand the point: when you do it yourself, you will not be able to. I told you at the start of this class that I would chop you very, very hard, so do not get upset. I do not want to make you a khoji astrologer, one who searches the answer out of the client. I will beat you very hard. I do not want to hear from you, "Very good teacher, this, that," because I know how deep in the water I really am. I get beaten very hard myself.

For that you have to go into the divisional charts. Right now I am only on the D1, and from the D1 alone you do not learn much. A D1 chart is a two-hour chart, brother: in two hours, how many autistic children are born? But with two hours you can at least make an attempt. So here is how I build it, one layer at a time.

Shukra alone first. Shukra in Libra in the 8th can very easily go into an extramarital affair. Because Budha is with him, you said it could go with the siblings, or with someone younger. But take Budha away for now.
What Shukra represents. Shukra is your quality of appreciating others: how much you appreciate people. That is the 7th house: "You are looking beautiful." But the 8th carries Ketu's effect. Will he be able to say it? Curd will set in his mouth (munh mein dahi jam jayega). He will not be able to appreciate his wife.
Money quarrels. Wherever Shukra is, there is a fight over money; he is the guru of the asuras. In the 8th, with whom will the fight be? With the in-laws, over money.
Now mix in Budha. Budha here represents the jija or the behnoi (a sister's husband), or the husband of your mausi (mother's sister).
Sudden gain. The 8th represents a sudden gain of money: anything that comes to you suddenly.
Lordship. Libra is in the 8th, so Shukra is the lord of the 3rd and the 8th. The 3rd is any money or medal you have gained through your effort. And Libra is marriage. So we predict what happens to the person after marriage: whatever skill set he practised, he will leave all of it. The loss has gone into the 8th.
The marriage. Married life will either slowly improve or slowly deteriorate. Here, it deteriorates. And Budha sits with Shukra, so a third party is introduced.
Budha is the 4th lord. Mithuna has gone with Shukra into the 8th. The relationship spoils because of the mother. The mother may have a kidney problem. The person's childhood may have been very traumatic. That is the 4th lord going into the 8th.
The wife. She will be soft-spoken. Why? Because the 8th is the wife's 2nd house, and Shukra sits in it. Her family may be very rich, because Shukra sits in Libra.
The income. The salary he earns comes from known sources and from unknown sources, as you said. Very nice.

Not all of it will come to you yet. I know that this much layering will not come. But give a little at a time: two predictions, three, four, five. There are more predictions in this chart, which I will not go into, because I have not taught you the rashis. The old students know how deep we go when we analyse it.

Threads from the other chapters

The 8th also appears in lessons taught elsewhere in this book. Read them together with this chapter.

The 8th lord on the lagna (Chapter B1). A house lord brings to the lagna what it carries, and the 8th lord carries insecurity. The person is full of fear and always lives in fear; others suppress him and call him timid. I have also seen molestation with this placement.
The lagna lord in the 8th (Chapter B1). The person keeps solving the most important problem of the 8th: pulling people out of depression, long illness and financial loss, and helping the father, the spouse's family and the spouse's wealth.
The 7th lord in the 8th and the 8th lord in the 7th (Chapter B1). With the 7th lord in the 8th, the in-laws become heavy as soon as the marriage happens. With the 8th lord in the 7th, the partner arrives carrying the 8th.
Tula lagna (Chapter B1). Shukra is also the 8th lord. The 8th effect still comes, but after marriage.
The 11th is the 8th from the 4th (Chapter B11). That is why desire burns the peace of the home. And when the 11th lord goes to the 8th, the money comes from the occult, or from bribery.

Before the next house: keep the gut clean

At the end of this class I gave my students a diet for the whole time they are learning with me. This house governs drained energy and the gut, so keep it in mind as you study.

Remember

The 8th is roots and ashes: decay, transformation, rock bottom, drained energy, the ending of anything.
It holds the in-laws, hidden secrets and traumas, death and prolonged illness, the anal area, the occult, research, sudden wealth and past-life karma.
It is the 5th from the 4th (the mother's fantasies, and your time in her womb), the 2nd from the 7th (the spouse's family and speech) and the 12th from the 9th (the father's bedroom and sleep).
A graha in the 8th leaves you emotionally cut off from the relative it signifies.
A house connected with the 8th in a dasha loses or transforms its resource; the 8th of a divisional chart ends that chart's subject.
8th-house troubles are healed by roots and ashes: supplements, roots with bhasma, curd and a clean gut.
The 8th is the Muladhara: its energy goes to knowledge or to sexual life, not to both. So Shukra here allows bhakti but makes the occult hard.
Tantra in a prashna: the lagna lord in the 8th, Kanya rising, grahas in Kanya.
Extract the secrets from the chart in the 8th; judge, refine and advise in the 9th.
Remedies: Rahu, shraddha at Gaya; Ketu, the mountains; Shani, donate; Budha, never take a dead person's money.

Check yourself

1. Why is the 8th house called "roots and ashes"?

2. The dasha of the 2nd house runs with the antardasha of the 8th. What happens?

3. Why does the 8th house show the mother's fantasies and your time in her womb?

4. Which graha in the 8th makes the father emotionally unavailable, through travel or separation?

5. A prashna shows the lagna lord in the 8th, Kanya rising and grahas in Kanya. What do you suspect?

6. Why can a person with Shukra in the 8th do bhakti but find the occult hard?

7. What remedy do I give for Rahu in the 8th?

8. With Budha in the 8th, what must the native never do?

9. How much credit does Shani in the 8th give for your work?

10. Ketu is in the 8th. How did the mother conceive?

11. In the live reading, Shukra rules the 3rd and sits in the 8th in Tula. What happens to the native's skills?

12. Which house extracts the secrets, and which refines and advises?